Thread:Jens Ingels/@comment-118323-20131206194317/@comment-118323-20131210014414

Thanks for the in-depth and very detailed feedback. I understand the uses for and personal preferences for source editing. The VisualEditor is not intended to be a complete replacement of source editing, nor will it ever be. We built the VE on top of wikitext because of this.

The goal of the VisualEditor is to make the most common actions people take while editing wiki articles straightforward and efficent. There's no need for someone to see complex source markup if they just want to add one sentence to a paragraph or fix a typo. I entirely believe we can have productive contributors who help make beautiful wikis but never use source mode.

Your feedback on section editing is spot-on. It was easier for us to turn the VE on for the entire article instead of just a section. We'll be thinking through this in January. We'll also be making some changes to the link tool to help people choose the best target link they can. And the template tool needs a lot of improvements — it is not simple to navigate. Your idea about template categories is very interesting, thanks! :-)

In January we'll also have copy+paste formatting available, and there is always the ability to do a "clean paste" by Ctrl+Shift+V.

We'll always have the option for contributors to use source if they prefer. So hopefully we (Wikia) can get the VE to a point that sets your community up for success, even if you do not want to personally use it.