Thread:Catman3/@comment-10090661-20130812071040/@comment-9946604-20130814000933

Scolding me on ethics is not against policy and no one will be banned for it-- ever.

"I consider the matter closed" means "I answered you're question and now we are talking in circles so I am chosing to move past it". I know it comes across as condescending, but I only have so much time. I'm sorry if that hit you wrong. I agree we can be "power trippy", but this wiki is often like a wild west kindergarten.

I did write a long rant telling you why I think you're wrong though. Then I remembered I'm an admin and deleted it. I'm sorry if you think I'm a jerk, and I'd like to go back to where we were a few days ago. I believe I have a solution. It is my sincere hope that I have not alienated you past the point of reconsiliation.

Either way, you will do what you like and I am sorry if you don't want to edit anymore. I really am just trying to do my job. By the way, besides Jens who rebuilt this wiki over the last year and a half, I'm the longest sitting admin of the core team at about 10 weeks. Most of us are still pretty new at this. When in doubt, I fall back on the wikia policy of "good faith" and I trust my instincts. I don't always get it right, but I try, and I think I do more good than harm.

At this time, I'm using my silly athority to ignore your request to be demoted from chatmod. My magic smite button isn't in the mood today.

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Moving on, I got involved because you asked me to and I like you. I see no reason to chase you off now. I promoted you to chatmod because you had a level head, and I think I have a way I can put this to use and resolve your complaints as well.

Our policy is ugly and incomplete. It was written in chunks over several months by someone who is not a native english speaker and whose primary focus here is building templates and providing statistical information.

Since you offered, I'd like you to rewrite it. I enforce the spirit of the law-- which should be mirrored by the written law. This situation was created because the written law is badly written. I'd prefer if it wasn't but I simply don't have time. I think you're the right man for the job of correcting it.

I have coppied Dragon_City_Wiki:Rules_and_Policies to User:Catman3/Sandbox/Policy. For obvious reasons, the actual page is locked. You can edit the one in your sandbox untill it works. When you've finished, message me on my wall and I'll update the real one. I don't know how good you are with page editing, but don't worry about formating if you're not, I can take care of that. Your main concern is content and language.

Here is a list of things that need particular consideration.

FB policy
We have one line for this with a link. There should be a h2 heading for it with the most important elements listed and a "including but not limited to" mention.

Friending Policy
We would like to have a protocol for the right way to ask for an FB add. The problems are spam and protecting children (see also: COPPA). At this time, we can't figure out a way to allow this without creating problems. If you can't figure one out (that the rest of the Admins aprove), it just has to be a strict "no".

File Policy
The file policy is a bit messy. Keep the core and incorporate this.

Non-game images should be kept to a minimum and only used in personal space. Avatars won't be deleted if they are badly named, but they will probably get renamed for tidyness. Page posts should be either source content (see below) screen caps of game play, or other DC releated content released by SP.

For tidyness and possible embarrasment, screen caps should be cropped to the game window. (I've got a tutorial somewhere here, if I can find the link). If someone takes a picture of their monitor, it will be deleted. They will then be linked to a tutorial on how to take a screen cap.

Caps with inapropriate dragon names will be deleted.

If someone takes a screen of a dragon and a source version (see below) becomes available, it will probably be replaced.

Screen caps that do not "add to the debate" may be removed from pages.

Unreleased Content
Yeah... It's still blank. Our main goal is not to spoil secrets. To say that every unreleased detail is forbidden is not what we're going for. For that reason, I make the distinction between hacked content and sourced content.

Hacked content vs. Source content
Hacked content is either source content of unreleased data or screen shots of an altered DC account.

Source content is data taken from the game and shared after SP has revealed it. A good example is the Rainbow and Panzer dragons. At first, Rainbow was shown as an adult and Panzer was mentioned in text only. We created null infoboxes for both and released only adult images for Rainbow. These images could not be seen in a vanilla game, but SP has shown the dragon.

We need to provide content of what all users can see or rumors start to fly.

Source content is taken from the game data and not actual gameplay. We have access to a great deal of unreleased content as well as better quality images than any screen cap can get. Our choice to limit what we can and cannot present is self-imposed. We could post all the hacked content we want if we voted to reverse the policy. For this reason we need to distinguish between source content and hacked content. Technically, releasing the adult images for a dragon that only exists in ads is against our current policy, but honors our goal to only show source content for what can be known through playing an unaltered game.

Semi-Released Content
If you can fight a dragon, adult sprites, mugshots, and combat data can be published. Earnings, breeding info, star ranks, etc (source content that can not be observed in a vanilla game) can not be published.

If you can only see a dragon in advertisements, a null page can be created (basically an infobox filled with question marks) and images for any stage shown in game can be added. EX:  If a stylized image of a baby dragon rolling on a ball is shown in game, we permit uploading sprites for that age even though they can not be viewed in game (source content).

If someone posts a picture of this dragon in their kindergarden but the dragon is currently unbreedable, the image will be removed as it must be hacked content. Good luck phrasing all of that. Like I said, it's a pretty big chore.

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I'm sure there's a bunch of other stuff that needs fixing, those are just the glaring problems that aren't about reorganization. Again, I hope I haven't offended you badly enough that you'll tell me where to put my policy, and I hope you will put your money where your mouth is and write some good laws. It's the only way we all win.